S1 E19: Getting Your Hands in the Roots with Penny Hay

In this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Rachael and Jeff discuss their relationship and how colleagues can help each other dive deep on topics, to expand their perspectives. Rachael interviews Penny Hay, a creativity scholar and organizational leader in the UK. They discuss the role of creativity in social movements and how to work on systems change to reimagine education. Rachel and Jeff debrief with a passionate dialogue about the role of creativity in the world - like creative justice - and how definitions don't matter.

In this episode you’ll learn:

  1. How creativity can be used in reforming education systems;

  2. What creative justice looks like as part of social movements; and 

  3. Why definitions don’t matter, but systems change does.


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Please download the transcript here. 


ABOUT PENNY HAY

Dr. Penny Hay is an artist, educator, Reader in Creative Teaching and Learning, Senior Lecturer in Arts  Education, School of Education; Research Fellow, Centre for Cultural and Creative Industries; Bath Spa  University and Director of Research, House of Imagination. Signature projects include School Without  Walls and Forest of Imagination. Penny is also a co-founder of Bath Cultural Education Partnership. 

Penny’s doctoral research focused on children’s learning identity as artists. She is Co-Investigator on the AHRC Global Challenges Research project ‘Rethinking waste: Compound 13 Lab’ in Mumbai.  Penny is a visiting Lecturer at Plymouth College of Art and co-designed their MA in Creative  Education. 

Penny coordinates the South West Creative Education Hub, is strand leader for Creative Pedagogy in the Policy, Pedagogy and Practice Research Centre, Associate Director of TRACE at Bath Spa University and a member of the Paper Nations Advisory Group. She is on the Steering Group of the APPG for Art  Craft and Design Education and on the Advisory Groups for the Cultural Learning Alliance, HundrED (Finland), Crafts Council Learning and Development and a member of the RSA Innovative Education  Network. Penny is co-chair of What Next? West and co-host of the RSA Bath Network. 

Penny regularly speaks regularly at international conferences and is part of the UNESCO Futures of  Learning Group. She is working internationally in Europe, Scandinavia, India, Zimbabwe and Canada.  Penny was awarded by Action for Children’s Arts for her contribution to arts education and by  Creative Bath for her work in creative education. 

WHERE TO FIND PENNY:

  • @PenAHay 

  • @houseimaginatn

  • @forestimaginatn 

  • @schwithoutwalls


This episode of Why Change? A Podcast for the Creative Generation was powered by Creative Generation. It was produced and edited by Daniel Stanley. Artwork by Bridget Woodbury. Music by Distant Cousins.